County Considers Allowing Neuter Program for Feral Cats

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Wake County Commissioners are considering amending the animal control ordinance to allow a Trap-Neuter-Return option to control feral cat populations around the county. The merits of allowing such a program were discussed at the commissioners’ work session Monday.

Under the current ordinance, when a Wake County resident calls animal control with a complaint relating to a feral cat, an animal control officer traps the cat and brings it to the Wake County Animal Shelter. It remains at the shelter for three days — to allow it to be claimed by a possible owner — before being euthanized. Feral cats are considered unadoptable.

More than half the cat euthanizations performed by the shelter last year were feral.

Matt Roylance, the county’s deputy environmental services director, said staff recommends amending the animal control ordinance to allow private groups or individuals to trap, spay or neuter and then return feral cats to colonies.

Residents who call animal control would then have the option to have the animal picked up as usual or get contact information for a non-profit group that could trap, vaccinate and spay/neuter the cat before releasing it. The cat’s ear would be clipped so that it could be easily identified as a TRN cat.

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Feral cat. Photo by Bob McInnes.

Roylance said the logic is that if there are going to be feral cats in that area anyway, it would be better if they were vaccinated and couldn’t reproduce.

Roylance explained the pros of the program, including a decreased number of calls to animal control officers, which leads to lower cat euthanasia rates and increased space for adoptable cats.

One of the program’s cons is the issue of public health. Putting the cats back into the wild exposes them and the public to a myriad of diseases and infections, including rabies, salmonella and parasites. A report given to commissioners states that cat bites and scratches put the public at risk for infections, tetanus and cat scratch disease.

Resulting cat colonies also face nuisance complaints from neighbors who don’t want feral cats near their homes. Sometimes, such colonies become a dumping ground for unwanted cats and cause quality of life issues for other wild animals.

The draft ordinance does not include colony protections from neighbors who find them to be a nuisance. As it is written, anyone could ask animal control to pick up the cats — even if they were part of the TNR program.

That situation occurred in February when the TNR group Operation Catnip filed a complaint against Wake County for violating a verbal agreement not to pick up TNR cats in an Apex mobile home park. The News & Observer reported that two of the 12 cats escaped euthanasia, but that animal control officials can continue to bring in feral cats.

While the commissioners seemed in favor of including the TNR option, they had questions about provisions in the law intended to hold someone accountable for the welfare of the colony.

Commissioner Erv Portman said some of the requirements, like registering each colony and maintaining vaccination records, would be too onerous for residents. Portman also took issue with the term “caretaker,” since it does not differentiate between someone putting out some food and the non-profits who are trapping, neutering and returning the cats.

Caretakers would also be liable for ensuring their colony’s cats are neutered, or they will be fined $200. Caretakers who no longer care for the colony without arranging for a proxy could be charged with abandonment.

Portman suggested meeting with some of the interested groups to find out if they can compromise.

The commissioners asked staff to meet with the groups, review a similar law in Moore County and draw up an alternative with less restrictions so that both can be reviewed side by side. Both laws could be reviewed at the next work session April 9.

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66 thoughts on “County Considers Allowing Neuter Program for Feral Cats

  1. Be cautious about suggesting that any cats rounded-up from outdoors be used for adoption or you could be held criminally responsible for destroying the lives and finances of families and their pets. There’s no way to know a wild-harvested cats’ vaccination history, if any, nor their exposure to all the deadly diseases cats carry. If a cat has contracted rabies then a vaccination against it later will do no good. It’s already too late. There’s also no reliable known test for rabies while keeping the animal alive. They really need to be destroyed after they are trapped. It’s the only sane and sensible solution. This is precisely why all wild-harvested animals in the world, of any type intended for the pet-industry, must undergo an extended quarantine period of up to 6 months before transfer or sale of those animals to prevent just these things. Cats are no different than any other animal when harvested from the wild. You’re just risking this following story happening in every shelter across the land.

    (Google for: rabid cat adopted wake county)

    Adopting any cat that’s been taken from outdoors is just playing Russian Roulette.

    Stray-cats, the very source of all feral-cats, need to be euthanized too or you’ll never be rid of the feral-cat problem.

    I found some surprising things about all the diseases these invasive-species vermin are now spreading throughout the USA.

    These are just the diseases they’ve been spreading to humans, not counting the ones they spread to all wildlife. THERE ARE NO VACCINES against many of these, and are in-fact listed as bio-terrorism agents. They include: Campylobacter Infection, Cat Scratch Disease, Coxiella burnetti Infection (Q fever), Cryptosporidium Infection, Dipylidium Infection (tapeworm), Hookworm Infection, Leptospira Infection, Giardia, Plague, Rabies, Ringworm, Salmonella Infection, Toxocara Infection, Toxoplasma. [Centers for Disease Control, July 2010] Sarcosporidiosis, Flea-borne Typhus, and Tularemia can now also be added to that list.

    (Links to proof of cats spreading many of these removed per post requirement. Businesses have even been ruined by some of them. Like those in Miami being shut-down due to feral-cats spreading hookworm in all the beaches there. The most surprising in my research is that people have already died from cat to human transmitted plague in the USA, starting back as early as 1994 (earliest cat-transmitted plague-death of a human, that I could find). Fleas and rats not even required if you have cats around. The cats themselves are carriers and spreaders of the plague. Totally disproving that oft-spewed myth about lack of cats causing the plague in Europe. Cats would have made it worse.)

  2. TNR-Advocates and their programs are making absolute fools out of each and every one of you that they con with their lies and highly deceptive nonsense — while also violating all invasive-species laws in existence. (Cats being listed in the TOP 40 WORST invasive-species OF THE WORLD in the “Global Invasive-Species Database”.)

    If you do the research, as I did using data from the most “successful” TNR programs, you’ll easily find that no TNR program has EVER trapped more than 0.4% of existing cats in any one area for over a decade now. (Even Oregon’s amazing 50,000 TNR’ed cats, at the end of this year will have only trapped 0.35% of them in Oregon.) They simply cannot trap them faster than they breed out of control, no matter what they do. And those cats that learn to evade traps go on to produce offspring that now also know how to evade any trapping method used. So not only are >99.6% still and ALWAYS breeding out of control, and spreading their diseases everywhere, and still destroying ALL wildlife (native prey becomes tortured play-toys, native predators starve to death from cats destroying their ONLY food), but TNR fools are also ensuring that any future generations of these devastating invasive-species won’t even be able to be trapped. This is why, due to TNR-Advocates’ insistence that they have “the answer”, that their feral-cat population has now climbed to an ecologically-deadly 150 MILLION feral-cats across the USA. Soon to turn into 1.5 BILLION cats within the year if you apply cats’ breeding rates to previous population numbers. (That’s actually a low low estimate. The real number from calculations spit out by their reproduction rates is closer to 2.4 BILLION.)

    Find whatever way that you can to destroy all feral and stray cats on-site. If you don’t destroy stray-cats as well, the source of all feral-cats, then you’ll never be rid of feral-cats either. Avoid using traps if at all possible because trapping is what slowed everything down to where cat populations have now sky-rocketed out of control. TNR advocates are at least right about one thing (and ONE THING ONLY); trap and kill doesn’t work either because it is based on the very same flawed method that they use — slow, random-chance, inefficient, easily outfoxed traps. There’s a reason the phrase “hunted to extinction” is so well-known in all cultures across all lands. It is the *ONLY* method that is faster than a species can out-breed and out-adapt to. The following link (of a study done by the University of Nebraska) is some good documentation on the most humane ways to confront a feral-cat problem where you live; including the best firearms, air-rifles, and ammo required. Though avoid using their suggested slow and inefficient trapping methods that got us into the ecological disaster that we have now. (Google for: “ec1781.pdf”)

    On advice of the local sheriff where I live I used a .22 equipped with a good illuminated-reticle scope and a laser-sight for use when they are most active, dusk to dawn; as well as to afford precision aim for a humane kill. I shot every last one of them on my property, hundreds of them, to restore all the native wildlife to proper balance. Mission accomplished! 100% total success! This is even a more humane method than terrorizing trapping and animal-shelter methods; and why it is the preferred feral-cat management policy in so many areas today. One moment the cats are happily stalking defenseless animals to cruelly torture again, the next they are dead and don’t even know what happened, they don’t even have time to make a sound. Making your land 100% cat-free is something that cat advocates haven’t been able to solve nation-wide for 30-40 years. On my land only 1 person in only 2 seasons was able to accomplish what they couldn’t attain in decades. Why is that? The cost per cat was also only 0.3 CENT, 3 cats PER PENNY, a ONE-TIME expense (5000 rounds on sale for only $15). All cats gone for the price of a few cups of coffee. And contrary to another famous TNR-Advocate’s bald-faced “vacuum effect” LIE … NO CATS REPLACED THEM. The NATIVE predators and their required NATIVE prey that WAS here and BELONGS here is what replaced their lousy invasive-species cats that had destroyed the entire native food-chain. This year I’m even enjoying birds I’ve never seen in my life before. Two of the warblers listed in the top 10 songbirds of the world for their song. What an amazing sound to awake to each morning. You have no idea what you’re missing if you have cats by you. I now feel sorry for anyone who has cats. Their lives and world are dismally empty and they don’t even know it.

    May you have as much success as I did, and so quickly and inexpensively too.

  3. Here’s how TNR-MATH works (and how most of you are so easily conned and deceived):

    “In NYC there are currently 465 registered TNR colonies. When TNR began in these colonies, 6047 cats were present – today, there are 4523 cats present, a decline of approximately 25 percent.” (Quoted from Alley Cnt Allies who are SO proud of this.)

    6,047 cats REDUCED the total by 1,524 cats, about 127 PER YEAR. That’s only 0.08% of the 1,806,310 feral-cats within the city’s limits. (data taken direct from TNR-advocates’ own resources)

    Apparently, if you TNR 4 cats and 3 die from being flattened by cars this is a 75% decline of feral-cats everywhere.

    Guess how many have been born IN JUST THE LAST 6 MONTHS (hoping like hell that they’re not breeding every 4 months). Let’s do the math…

    (1/2 total = females) 903,155 X 5 (avg. number in a litter) = 4,515,775 NEW CATS. Which lowers the number of them that have been reduced by TNR idiots to only 0.024%. THEY ARE GOING BACKWARD.

    Guess how many will be born in another 6 months? (4,515,775 / 2) X 5 = 11,289,438.

    The 1st 903,155 females are still breeding, so add 4,515,775 more. Add the original 1,806,310, totaling 17,611,523 CATS IN 1 YEAR. Which means that TNR groups have only reduced the cat-population by 0.008% of them. That’s not even 1/100th of 1%.

    Alley-Cat-ALL-LIES can’t even reduce cats in their own city, yet they promote it as a worldwide solution. Then even bigger fools fall for it and promote it.

  4. Since you are all such fine and upstanding people in favor of TNR, would you like to address another aspect of TNR that few seem to be aware of?

    I recently learned that TNR cat-hoarders practice a form of “TNR-On-A-Budget” (my name for it). TNR cat-hoarders who want to keep feeding their cats but can’t afford all that tedious mucking-about and getting them sterilized or vaccinated just trap the cats and clip the cats’ ears themselves. Then release them again right after clipping their ears. Doing their best to hide all evidence of where they keep these colonies and telling few about them. This way the cat if trapped again just gets released right there so the cat-hoarder can continue to dote-over and feed their unsterilized and unvaccinated cats. Plus everyone else who might happen on their secret cat-hoarding locations thinks those cats are sterilized and vaccinated so they have fewer concerns about them still overbreeding or spreading deadly diseases. The TNR cat-hoarder feeder just tells them, “Oh, don’t worry. See that clipped ear? They are sterilized and vaccinated. Perfectly fine and legal!”

    Thanks to these “TNR-On-A-Budget” people, clipped-eared cats must be trapped and euthanize or destroyed on-site — the only affordable and sane solution for everyone.

    If you doubt what I claim about TNR-cat-hoarding addicts practicing “TNR-On-A-Budget”, then perhaps you might enjoy this post I found to again prove everything I say is 100% true. They don’t talk about this practice too openly, just like they like to hide their cat-hoarders’ colonies and how they attempt to do so (also revealed in the thread this post was taken from, verifiable link below).

    “Chris Cook
    We had a culling of the neighborhood cats 2 years ago when there were only 10 or so (I lost 4 under my care in the same week). Now there’s over 25 – that I know about (about half fixed)… it’s just a matter of time before someone decides they have the ‘solution’ to the cat ‘problem’. All I can do is get them tipped (in case Animal Services gets them, there’s a small chance they’ll release them back to the area they caught them) and hope for the best by making my own yard a hidden sanctuary of sorts. At least my HOA knows I’m TNRing them and not just feeding them so they (for now) look the other way while slamming the feeders-and-breeders who contributed to the problem getting out of hand and refusing any and all offers of assistance.”

    from: (URL’s not allowed, Google for: “chris cook” “story_fbid=295067530554567” (include quotes))

    Not only is this criminally irresponsible TNR practitioner hoarding and feeding unsterilized cats, she even attracted MORE cats to keep reproducing — which again disproves their oft-spewed “vacuum effect” LIE. While also lying to her HOA to boot. She even believes that what she is doing *is* TNR, that’s just how demented these people are. I’d say this person reflects the norm rather than the exception, since TNR advocates relentlessly lie about so much and so often.

    Hint: for those of you permanently solving cat-hoarder’s ILLEGAL TNR invasive-species colonies by stepping up their rate of “attrition” (i.e. death by any means); look around for any game/field/trail-cameras that might be hidden from immediate view, then collect them as a souvenir and payment for your well-deserved efforts.

  5. I tend to think we should a) leave the law as-is or b) label them as an invasive species and actively seek to remove them.

    TNR *might* slow the spread, but it does nothing to mitigate the negative effects of the cats such as their tendency to kill off native bird populations. I’m not anti-cat by any means, but if there’s a problem, we should address it and deal with it.


    Of course, if we were really worried about invasive species destroying local habitat and wildlife, we’d have to start the euthanasia and TNR with humans, the worst offenders. As such, any plan we propose is more than a little hypocritical.

  6. Homo sapiens is NOT an invasive species ANYWHERE, you freakishly stupid MORON. Since humans have the genetic code to give them the capability to travel/migrate to ANY part of the globe, this means they are native to any area they can travel to on their own. Just like birds that have this capability and can travel to different continents and islands. Those that have the flight-range required to do so are NATIVE to those areas that they are capable of traveling to ON THEIR OWN.

    (And for the love of all that’s good in the world, PLEASE don’t try to claim that Europeans, Native Americans, and Asians are different “species”. That’s usually the next huge omelet-on-the-face move that fools make.)

    Whereas, an animal genetically engineered through selective breeding, such as CATS, are NOT AN INDIGENOUS SPECIES ANYWHERE. They are no more natural to any native environment than some genetically engineered insect that was invented in some lab, that once released out into nature will destroy all native wildlife, JUST AS CATS DO.

  7. Oops, sorry, I meant to politen-up that last post. The “moron” (and other parts I deleted already) is usually left in, in replying to astoundingly ignorant cat-lovers that I’m usually addressing.

  8. I would like to see a few comments by people who live in Wake County. It seems to me that, so far, mostly only one commenter, Woodsman, a person biased against cats if not a complete cat hater, has given any real opinions on the matter. I wonder if Woodsman lives in the county in question or just wants to kill cats wherever they may be.

    I have heard that trap/neuter/return has been successful over time in reducing the number of cats in a group, since all were spayed or neutered, and that other possible diseases were not a problem because they were vaccinated against distemper, etc. and rabies. As a teenage friend of mine would say, ” What’s not to like about that?” At least, it’s more humane.

  9. Julie,

    I know that TNR seems logical, but what is rarely discussed is the fact that TNR also involves feeding any cat that shows up 365 days / year. In almost all TNR cases, the volunteers do not have the time or money to catch every cat that shows up. Basic biology tells us that fed cats have more reproductive success. These fed cats have more litters negating the effects of TNR the few that can be caught. TNR colonies also provide a convenient dumping ground for unwanted cats. This was documented in Florida. Studies by researchers (that do not do TNR themselves) show little success in reduction of the overall feral cat population (which should be the goal of local government). If feeding intact cats was prohibited and TNR advocates would ONLY feed the cats they neutered it might be better, but their time is so limited that they just put down a lot of food in the morning or evening and walk away. TNR groups typically only vaccinate for rabies (because of limited funds). Also, a single rabies shot does not prevent rabies over the life of the feral cat. Any of these cats that bites someone and is not caught will be considered rabid and post-exposure shots will be required.

    I think TNR is simply a method to give counties and cities a way to say they are doing something. It’s usually free, although TNR groups will usually seek tax money eventually. A better approach is mandatory spay/neuter for all sold and adopted cats in the county and mandatory microchipping to track and prosecute those that abandon cats , or to help owners recover a lost cat. An open intake shelter is also very important to give homeowners an option to remove cats they do not want in their yards and property. There are no easy answers, and research shows that TNR alone will not make much difference. I wish the news on TNR was better because it does seem like a good idea. (although probably not to the chipmunks, baby bunnies, mockingbirds, and green anoles).

  10. Julie,

    Destroying cats is NOT a fear of cats nor even hating cats.

    Why do mentally-unbalanced and psychotic cat-advocates always presume that if someone is removing a highly destructive, deadly disease spreading, human-engineered invasive-species from the native habitat to restore it back into natural balance that they must hate that organism? Does someone who destroys Zebra Mussels, Kudzu, Burmese Pythons, African Cichlids, or any of the other myriad destructive invasive-species have some personal problem with that species? (Many are escaped PETS that don’t even spread harmful diseases, unlike cats.) Your ignorance and blatant biases are revealed in your declaring that people who destroy cats must somehow hate or fear cats. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    People who spread a destructive invasive-species that tortures-to-death all other wildlife have zero respect for life. They don’t even care about their cats dying a torturous death from exposure, animal attacks, diseases, starvation, dehydration, road-kill, environmental poisons. etc., the way that ALL stray cats suffer to death. They don’t even respect their fellow human being. This speaks more than volumes about your disgusting character. People like you should be locked up in prison for life for your cruelty to animals. If you let cats roam free you are violating every animal-abandonment, animal-cruelty, animal-neglect, animal-endangerment, and animal-abuse law in existence. And also being in direct violation of every invasive-species law worldwide.

    If people DO hate cats today, have LEARNED to hate cats today, you have nobody but yourself and everyone just like you to blame. YOU are the reason people are now realizing that all excess cats must be destroyed. You’ve done so much to make people care about cats, haven’t you.

    THIS IS YOUR FAULT and THE FAULT OF EVERYONE JUST LIKE YOU. You have NOBODY but yourselves to blame.

    You can take that all the way to the next shot-dead cat’s grave.

  11. WODSMAN Please STOP ! ! ! ! Enough already ! ! ! I also would like to know if you live in Wake Couty. There will always be cats so better to have them vetted and stabilize their numbers

  12. Karin,

    If I believed TNR actually reduced numbers over time I’d be all for it, but the feeding 365 days a year of ALL cats regardless of reproductive status makes all the hard work and expense for naught. It’s a biological fact that if you increase resources you increase reproduction. These TNR volunteer groups do not have the resources to trap them all, and when their money is limited, food will come before neuterings. As such, they can never get the population to reduce. And to be clear, I’m talking about city/county wide population, not individual colonies. Show me a study that demonstrates at over all population reduction and I would change my mind. But, in years of looking I can’t find one. For the record, I like indoor cats, and had one until it succumbed to old age. TNR is not humane to cats. Death by coyote, car, disease, or parasite load is not humane but is the ‘attrition’ TNR people talk of. We have a responsibility to treat our domestic animals humanely. Leaving them out on the street is not humane to the cats or the chipmunks, baby rabbits, or small birds they will kill during their short brutal lives.

  13. Woodsman.. I am a very happy cat owner. All of my pets are due to someone else’s negligence. I love what my cats bring to my no I don’t agree with what you said. I do feel that there is a problem with feral cats..It saddens me to see them in rough shape and yes I am aware of the diseases they can get..but all that you mentioned are NOT exclusive to cats. I am glad that feral cats obviously for good reason know not to wonder in your yard, but just because you don’t like a type of animal doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with those of us that do. My goal as an animal rescuer/TNR advocate is to spread awareness mostly by example for properly taking care of your pet and to FIX them.

  14. Jessi,

    Don’t you think that the maintenance of cat colonies fuels many people’s dislike of free-roaming cats? I (and most people) keep my dogs on my own property so they do not poop in other people’s yards, nor chase their chickens, etc. They are MY responsibility. It seems that many people that allow their cat to roam (knowing it will not stay in their own yard) are creating a situation that might bring harm to their cat. It is not neighborly to let your cat poop in another’s yard or spray another’s car or house. TNR colonies exacerbate this by concentrating a larger than normal number of cats around a food source (provided by a TNR practitioner). Counties/Cities that continue to allow outdoor feeding are to blame for the inevitable backlash against these cats. TNR is not the solution. Mandatory spay/neuter, microchipping, and bans on outdoor feeding are!

  15. Simple solution – pass a mandatory law that all cats have to be spayed and neutered until we start to see a signifcant decrease in their population. If we can pass laws excluding certain dog breeds in various states – then we shoud be able to pass a law madating that ALL cats to be spayed neutered.

  16. Woodsman comments on cat issues all around the country, apparently feeling the need to spread hatred against cats all across the nation. As a colony manager for almost 11 years, I have an extensive amount of experience that refutes what he says, but don’t have time to write in detail. I would note that TNR works – my colony numbers demonstrate that, as does the health of the cats. And by the way, I would note that the real problem with animal waste in societies is with dogs and the dog owners who don’t clean up after them. Just walk around my apartment complex … cats cover up but dogs don’t! And dogs poop a whole lot more than a little kitty! Now that’s the real public health hazard, both to people and other dogs!

  17. Esteban I get that. I am not a fan of spray. It’s gross. I also do not let my cats outside ever. The ferals I take care of where part of the neighborhood before I was. I am trapping and fixing, but it’s not the fault of the animal that they end up in the situation. Woodsman speaks from the mind of a person that doesn’t like cats..well I do and always will. I find his views absurd in acting like cats need to be treated like crazy wild killing/infectious creatures. I don’t think what he does should be allowed. I do think TNR works and if it could get bigger it would help. I absolutely think spaying and neutering should be mandatory not just cats. Hell I would rather encounter a feral cat colony than a feral dog colony any day. Fixed animals don’t spray and stray like unfixed animals. It’s amazed me to see the cats I have fixed stick around my property..I am not trying to collect, but I will not get angry or fault the animals for having bad owners..and I will always help. People have to change their minds about fixing animals and do it, you can make all the laws you want, but who will enforce it? I am sure many TNR people would rather have a great piece of land for feral cats instead of colonies, but there is no dedicated area. Colony Manager above me..and any Colony managers THANK YOU!! I know it’s hard work and expensive…please know what a great thing you are doing..It’s one of the best for getting ” fix your damn animals” into the thick skulls of society.

  18. Karin, it doesn’t matter what county I live in, facts remain FACTS.

    jessi, these are a MAN-MADE INVASIVE-SPECIES ANIMAL Do you even BEGIN to comprehend what that means?

    Susie, this will do no good. No matter what laws have been enacted, psychotic cat-lovers will find their way around them. It wasn’t until I STOPPED listening to psychotic cat-lovers, and just shot all cats on my land was the problem finally resolved. Witness the post about psychotic cat-lovers that TNR without doing any actual TNR. They just clip the ears of cats and think the problem is solved.

    Colony Manager,

    Destroying cats is NOT a fear of cats nor even hating cats.

    Why do mentally-unbalanced and psychotic cat-advocates always presume that if someone is removing a highly destructive, deadly disease spreading, human-engineered invasive-species from the native habitat to restore it back into natural balance that they must hate that organism? Does someone who destroys Zebra Mussels, Kudzu, Burmese Pythons, African Cichlids, or any of the other myriad destructive invasive-species have some personal problem with that species? (Many of which are escaped PETS that don’t even spread any harmful diseases, unlike cats.) Your ignorance and blatant biases are revealed in your declaring that people who destroy cats must somehow hate or fear cats. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    It is people who spread a destructive invasive-species that tortures-to-death all other wildlife that have zero respect for life. They don’t even care about their cats dying a slow torturous death from exposure, animal attacks, diseases, starvation, dehydration, becoming road-kill, environmental poisons. etc., the way that ALL stray cats suffer to death. They don’t even respect their fellow human being. This speaks more than volumes about your disgusting character. People like you should be locked up in prison for life for your cruelty to animals. If you let cats roam free you are violating every animal-abandonment, animal-neglect, animal-endangerment, and invasive-species law in existence.

    If people DO hate cats today, have LEARNED to hate cats today, you have nobody but yourself and everyone just like you to blame. YOU are the reason people are now realizing that all excess cats must be destroyed. You’ve done so much to make people care about cats, haven’t you.

    THIS IS YOUR FAULT and THE FAULT OF EVERYONE JUST LIKE YOU. You have NOBODY but yourselves to blame.

    You can take that all the way to the next shot-dead cat’s grave.

  19. Woodsman comments negatively on every cat site/blog he or she can find. He is obsessed where there is no need to be. I too would much rather hear from people who would be impacted in the area where these laws are proposed. Has woodsman ever considered that other opinions matter as much or more than his/hers?

  20. we do not need to “destroy” them, what are they a building or some other inanimate object? That’s all I have to say.

  21. Its a good thing your not on my land to shoot cats that come there. 😉
    I wish cats could shoot humans, were clearly the problem with this planet. At least cats just go about their instincts they don’t have some rediculous vendetta against us.

  22. Woodsman, I notice you have no positive comment to make toward anyone else’s posts. You listen only to the sound of your own voice, and your personal arrogant opinions.

    Have you spent 6 months volunteering for a TNR program, to get a first hand view of what multitudes of volunteers are doing to make life better for cats, or just lazily sitting on your back porch and shooting innocent animals.

    My guess is that your aren’t making an impact on anything in this world. Oh, well, I guess you do add a lot of HOT AIR to the environment.

  23. Edgewatcher, If negative diatribes are a reason to dismiss some information, then that means all the repetitive diatribes all over the net about cats and TNR programs should have been dismissed years ago. I’m only barely starting to catch-up to all the mindlessly spewed TNR nonsense, misinformation, deceptions, and lies that have flooded the net from obsessive, psychotic, self-deluded, and phenomenally ignorant cat-lovers.

    Lazy Hippy, This just goes to prove again what I’ve suspected all along … the Toxoplasma gondii parasites in cat-lovers brains won’t let them think nor reason beyond wanting to ensure the proliferation of more T. gondii parasites throughout the whole food-chain and into more humans, by spreading their genetically-engineered, nature-destroying, INVASIVE-SPECIES cats even further. Even if they have to harm or murder humans that stand in their way. They are being controlled against all common-sense and reason by the cats’ parasites that have taken over their minds.

    Get tested for T. gondii if you are defending these invasive-species cats’ lives. You’re most likely obeying cats’ parasites in your brain now. You can no longer think nor reason like a human anymore, ignoring all logic and common-sense. Your thoughts demoted to that of parasitic protozoan awareness, where only its base biochemical survival matters, without concern nor regard for anything else in its environment. (Sounds just like every cat-lover, doesn’t it.) Though either way, even if you are not infected by this cat-parasite and still feel that it’s better to harm a human than a cat, seek professional help before you act on these blatantly clear psychopathic and sociopathic thoughts and values of yours.

    For just a few of the links on studies of how this cats’-parasite hijacks the human (or any animal’s) mind:

    “How Your Cat Is Making You Crazy”

    “Toxoplasmosis and psychology: A game of cat and mouse”

    “Crazy Cat Love: Caused By Parasitic Infection?”

    “Research Links Parasite In Cats To Mental Illnesses”

    Dot, Where can ANYONE but a psychotic idiot find ANYTHING positive about promoting a DEADLY DISEASE-SPREADING, MAN-MADE INVASIVE-SPECIES, PREDATOR, in ANY ecosystem? Are you really this mentally defective? I restored all the NATIVE wildlife to my land in the last 17 years though a concerted effort of raising native mice and voles to replenish the owl, hawk, fox and other predators’ food sources while 100% successfully annihilating the MAN-MADE invasive-species cats that caused all the problems for them in the first place. What have you managed to accomplish in your supreme ignorance and stupidity today?

  24. Actually Woodsman has probably SAVED more animals from an unnatural and very inhumane death by removing cats from his land. These animals saved were chipmunks, lizards, deer mice, brown thrashers, mockingbirds, warblers….you get the idea.

    I think when you break down the issue, it’s those that value the lives of native animals over the lives of abandoned domestic animals. One side believes that removal of non-native animals benefits native animals and there is nothing immoral about causing the death (directly) of a non-native animal. Many of you probably do believe that death is necessary – if you eat meat or remove non-native rats, mice, and insects from your homes. Many of us see no difference in using snap traps for rats vs. live traps and humane euthanasia for unowned cats. Can anyone tell me why you think there is a difference? I had pet rats in college, so it’s not that some animals are or were pets and others weren’t.

  25. Dear All:

    Please stop replying to Woodsman. He is clearly psychotic and has way too much time on his hands. I would be more interested in hearing from others about what *has* worked and where – the successes in TRN and some of the initiatives communities have taken that have lead to reduced feral cat numbers, including public education.

    Let’s continue a dialogue and ignore the comments of Woodsman. His rants have said all he has to say; he is now merely repeating himself.

  26. Esteban … “probably”? 🙂


    A parliament of 5 owls moved into my yard last summer, owls I hadn’t seen for 17 years because of cats on my land. One of them flying down and capturing a vole I had disturbed while walking. The owl landing almost between my feet and looking up at me while constraining the vole. Talk about enjoying being close to nature! Last fall gray-foxes made a den near my home. I hadn’t seen them in 17 years either. Raccoons waddle through my yard most nights now. This winter I got to witness and take a video of a skunk trying to scare a raccoon away (funniest thing I ever saw when the skunk failed at it miserably and waddled off all embarrassed, the raccoon just ignoring any attempt it made). Yesterday 4 adult tom turkeys were in my yard in full plumage. As were a couple chipmunks who woke up from their winter nap early, taking some sunflower-seeds from my hand. Last summer I heard 2 species of warblers I’ve never seen nor heard in my life ever before. One of them listed as the top 10 songbirds of the world for their song. What a treat that was to wake up to every morning! Now that they know this land is a safe place for them because there are no cats they’ll probably be back again this year. Yesterday while getting mail a pheasant flew out of the pine-tree by my mailbox. My land is now RICH with life again. The way it was when I first bought my land. All due to cats being 100% GONE.

    ALL those animals that I just mentioned WERE ALL GONE for the last 17 years because cats had destroyed them all. If I ever see any cat ever again, I’ll be grabbing that rifle as fast as possible. Now that I know what will happen if I ever let them walk on my land again. The rewards for shooting every last cat you see are FAR FAR too great to do anything but that.

    It’s not a question of IF you should shoot cats or not, but a question of how fast and how many cats can you shoot in one day — every day.

    As for the rest of you ….

    Simple solution:

    If they KNOW that their pet cat is going to be shot on sight if they let it out of their home, then they’ll keep it indoors where it damn well belongs anyway.

    If they KNOW that their pet cat is going to be shot on sight if they let it out of their home and they do it anyway, then they’ve clearly proved they don’t care about that cat at all and have shown that that cat is 100% expendable (which they do anyway every time they let their cat outdoors), so shoot it.

    If their cat manages to outsmart the owner and get outside, then that cat has proved that the owner was far too stupid and irresponsible to own any pet in the first place, they’re not even as smart as that cat, so shoot it.

    Doesn’t get simpler and more inexpensive and least-time-consuming than that!

    (Though please do bury all those cat carcasses to prevent any diseases in those cats from going any further. Thanks.)

    No need to even sterilize them that way, no need for animal-control, no need for TNR. They either keep their lousy invasive-species disease-infested piece-of-sh** cats in their homes where they damn well belonged in the first place, or they are simple target practice for all your neighbors. If you want to be buying and feeding 4-legged moving targets for everyone else, go for it! .22’s and pellets are cheap. Lots of people could use some practice in how to use a gun properly anyway. You’re just doing them a favor.


    It’s the ONLY way this problem will be solved.

    You can’t even trust that a clipped-ear cat has been sterilized and vaccinated, since so many of these TNR liars and lunatics are just cutting off the cats’ ears and not even sterilizing them. ALL cats outdoors must now be shot on sight, clipped-ear or not, collared or not. It’s the ONLY SOLUTION.

    Those who love cats have nobody but themselves to blame for this. They can take their poor pitiful self-victimization act that they use to manipulate all others somewhere else. It’s not working. Nobody’s buying their pathetic and manipulative cat-lover act anymore. The next time someone sees their cat outside it WILL be the last-straw and it WILL be destroyed. They had their chance to do the right thing FOR DECADES NOW and they blew it. Now everyone else is going to PERMANENTLY solve the problem that they keep creating.

  27. Woodsman may be rude, but he is right. My neighborhood used to have a lot of feral cats and not much else. Now most of the cats are gone, thanks to the current animal control ordinance, and we have all kinds of wonderful native animals — foxes, raccoons, opossums, even a groundhog! Rabbits are slowly coming back. I’m hoping the chipmunks will find their way back, too! And of course I love all the wonderful native birds. It is a privilege to live in the middle of a city, but be able to catch glimpses of these beautiful native animals. PLEASE DON”T BRING BACK THE CATS!!

  28. Mathew, I hope your chipmunks come back. I had missed them most of all.

    Ever hear what I call “A Chipmunk Chorus”?

    In the late late afternoon, just before sunset, when the woods are quiet and calm and no wind is blowing, they’ll all climb up on low stumps or rocks a few feet high, spaced out about 30-60 feet apart from one another. Then they start making a melodic clucking sound. About one “cluck” per second. Each chipmunk having a different note to their voice. It sounds for all the world like water-drops dripping in a still and quiet cave coming from every direction.

    I suspect they do this in a manner similar to wolf-howling. To keep tabs on each other, to know how many are around, etc. It might even be a sort of built-in population check for their own benefit. Or maybe they just do it because it’s so cool. 🙂

    Not many people I have talked to have ever heard or enjoyed a chipmunk-chorus or even know they do this. It’s pretty amazing the first time you experience it. And every time after as well. (This is something that cat-lovers will never get to experience in their life — ever.)

  29. chipmunks were the first thing I noticed returning after I started removing cats (my county is very progressive…..they accept every cat I trap and humanely euthanize it).

    Marc, I think we are telling you what works. Removal. Plain and simple. There is nothing immoral about humane euthanasia of unadoptable domestic animals. Unless your definition of humane is so narrow and ill-conceived that you view re-abandoning a domestic animal to kill native animals more humane than putting it to sleep. Remember, TNR puts a cat to sleep (to neuter it), the cat doesn’t know if that sleep is going to be permanent or not, so to the cat euthansia is the same experience as TNR…although TNR is more cruel because the cat’s inevitable death will not be painless.

  30. I have five cats that were abandoned and slightly wild by the time I caught them. They never go out of the house now and they are a joy to be around. I think the TNR program is a wonderful idea. At the very least it will reduce the wild population that we humans created. I can also see that euthanasia is a viable alternative because at least they will not be creating more throw away kitties. Most of all, I would like to see aggressive campaigns to educate and money to provide free spay/neuter programs.

    More so then with dogs, a lot of people seem to be under the impression that abandoning a cat is no big thing because they can take care of themselves. If any of you are reading this article and the comments – I urge you to take them to the animal shelter. Don’t abandon your cats. Oh yeah and spay or neuter them if you keep them as pets. 😀

  31. To Matthew Brown:

    Yours is one of the more ridiculous posts I’ve read on this subject. You’re glad to have raccoons in your neighborhood, animals which are the primary natural reservoir of rabies and whuch carry very dangerous parasites (raccoon roundworm)? Raccoons have no fear of cats. Neither do foxes, nor possums. And if you knew any farmers, you’d know how destructive groundhogs can be. Much native wildlife is turning up in cities for one reason: it’s been displaced by suburban sprawl and has been forced to adapt to whatever habitat it can find.

    And, for that matter, if you’re in favor of getting rid of all but native species in North America, what are we to do about humans, the most invasive and destructive species of all? Seen a cat driving a bulldozer lately?

    Humans and cats have a unique partnership between species going back over thousands of years, and I, for one, intend to honor that partnership rather than turning on them. I personally work with a TNR colony and have done so for several years. I’m in contact with them all the time and have suffered no ill health effects.

    Woodsman’s writing, however, tends to cause bouts of extreme nausea.

  32. Woodsman – Just curious. Are you an American Indian? In not, you are not a native either. The cats came over with the European settlers. You contradict yourself and sound incoherent. Your arguments are not logical or even accurate. You don’t like cats because they kill but your “solution” is killing them. Your glee in describing your shooting of them reveals what a sadistic and twisted person you are. By the way, these are the same species as the domestic house cat so what you describe is a crime called animal cruelty. A felony. The biggest flaw in your so-called logic is KILLING DOESN’T WORK. We’ve been trying it year after year – at a huge cost to society, tax payers, and human beings who have compassion (excluding you, of course). Who do you think has caused more harm to wildlife? Cats or Man? Let’s get to the heart of the issue. These cats are there as a result of human negligence and indifference. If people would get their animals fixed and not abandon them, we’d all be OK. In my perfect world, cats are all indoors too. What planet are you from Woodsman? Why don’t you come down on all the heartless, irresponsible PEOPLE who cause this problem. If the county really wanted to make people responsible for animals, they’d be a mandatory spay-neuter law.

  33. I find all comments interesting and try to have respect for everyone’s opinion. However one aspect that seems to have been omitted is the financial one. It costs taxpayers more for the county to trap and house and euthanize these animals than it would to form a partnership with local advocacy groups who agree to care for and neuter these animals. I do understand that there is an issue of insuring public health but also know that the public is just as endangered by your neighbors “pet” cat or dog that has not ever been under the care of a veterinarian as a feral cat. I cover our sand box not only to prevent feral cats from defecating in it but also the neighborhood cats, dogs and raccoons.
    In reality, the county does not have the budget to trap and euthanize all of the feral animals ( canine or feline). It is the best interest of the taxpayer and the animals to create workable partnerships with the common goal of both ensuring the health and safety of the public and the animals of our county. As both a veterinarian and taxpayer, I feel the county can and should do both.

  34. I live in Wake County (Where this article is about). I have been doing TNR in and around Wake county for over 10 years. I have seen colonies that are totally managed (meaning, everyone is spayed/neteured and vaccinated and revaccinated yearly) where NO kittens are born because everyone has an earcrop. I had a personal colony that just died out from OLD AGE last year. The ferals I cared for were healthier than some pet cats I have been around in my rescue work. TNR does work. I also have video of my ferals NOT killing birds that came to eat the dry cat food after the cats were done. One cat is seen grooming himself 2 feet away ignoring the birds in his food dish pecking away.
    In a perfect world there would be no homeless, abused, abandoned animals anywhere. Every animal would be spayed/neutered and kept inside. That isn’t happening so until then I will continue to do my volunteer work, pay out of pocket, help non-profits promote spay/neuter and keep helping the cats.

  35. For many years I cared for a colony in Raleigh off Capital Blvd. It was in an area where there were so many cats that at first, it was impossible to count them. I discovered this colony by accident while helping search for a lost cat, but when I saw the numbers of cats living in this small wooded area adjacent to a housing development, I knew something had to be done. I started trapping these cats and having them spayed, neutered, and vaccinated. It took over a year to get all of them and get the colony stabilized with no new cats coming in. Talking with residents about these cats, it was clear that no matter how many times they called animal control, they could never get all the cats, and in no time, the numbers went back up. They told me that for five years animal control had tried to get the cats, and yet the colony was bigger than ever. The cats roamed the neighborhoods scavenging for food. By the end of the second year, all the cats were trapped and fixed, and a feeding area set up. At that time, there were approximately 27 cats in the colony. The residents in the area became supportive because they said the cats had stopped roaming into their yards, stopped scavenging, and were generally invisible. Many times I was ask where the cats were and what happened to them. I explained they were still there, but being cared for and fed. This all began in 1990. By the time I moved out of the area in 2002, the colony was down to 11 cats. I continued to come back and feed the cats every day till 2007 when there were only 2 cats left. At that time, I trapped both of them and moved them to my property in a rural area.
    No community has ever been able to eradicate feral cats, but there are many communities who have been able to control the numbers. Through the efforts of volunteers, colonies can be managed until they die out naturally. It is a win-win situation for all involved, and across the nation, it is happening in more and more communities. It is an idea whose time has come.

  36. I would just like to lay to rest the slightly deranged Mr. Woodsman’s claims. Firstly, there is no need for any firearms when working with feral cats. Secondly, once feral cats have been spayed/neutered and vaccinated, there is nothing further to do. Just continue to care and feed them.

    And, if the greater good would have their cats spayed and neutered when they got them, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. End of story.

  37. Woodsman, I’m afraid, as someone with a medical background that you started out with a whole lot of misinformation and outright lies. Of your list of diseases, the plague is the only listed bio-terrorism agent on the CDC website. The only other possible disease you have listed would be Tularemia and that would be very difficult to accomplish.

    Campylobacter, Cryptosporidium, and Giardia are all bacterial infections that cause 1-2 weeks of diarrhea and usually resolves on its own. Cryposporidium and Giardia are waterborne infections. Somehow, I don’t see cats (feral or otherwise) taking a swim in your pool or the local lake. These bacteria are not listed as bio terrorism agents and they are not lethal.

    Cat Scratch Disease is actually often caused by kittens, not adult cats. And most feral cats won’t let you close enough to them for a scratch or a bite, unless you have them cornered and are tormenting them. A person with a healthy immune system should have no fear of this mild infection. However, persons with compromised immune systems should see a doctor. This infection is certainly not listed as a bio terrorism agent.

    Coxiella or Fever Q isn’t generally fatal. It also isn’t listed as a bio terrorism agent. This infection is generally found in cattle, sheep and goats. That’s not to say that other species can’t acquire it. The bacteria is excreted in milk, urine and feces. As long as you are drinking pasteurized milk, you’re good. Infection to humans usually occurs through inhalation, not puncture woulds (such as bites and scratches). Other modes of transmission to humans is rare. There is a less than 2% fatality with this disease and those are among people with compromised immune systems or people who ignored the disease all together. It is easily treated with antibiotics.

    Dipylidium, Hookworm, Toxocara, and Sarcosporidiosis are all parasitic infections. You were nice enough to say that Dipylidium was a tapeworm and hookworm is self evident, but Toxocara can be a bit scary. Of course, the mystery would be gone if you’d just said round worm. All of these parasites (depending on how many one has in their body) generally resolve on their own as our bodies weren’t meant to carry them for long. Should they be a problem, there are anti-parasitic drugs that can be prescribed. Sarcosporidiosis is usually found in Southeast Asia, so why are you bringing it up here? Its rare at best.

    Leptospira can be dangerous because it mimics other diseases. If left untreated it can get right nasty. However, this infection generally occurs through penetration or absorption through the skin or membranes. Again, a feral cat generally doesn’t allow that kind of contact. If caught in time, a round of antibiotics will knock it out. Of course, outbreaks are also caused by contaminated water (flood water to be precise) so if you were to be infected, it won’t be by the feral cats in your neighborhood.

    Rabies is well documented and I won’t go into it here. But I will say that if the cats have been spayed/neutered and vaccinated, you really don’t have any worries here.
    Even among vets, a “one year” vaccine is an imposed limit. It is believed by some vets that the protective effects last longer than one year.

    Ringworm is a fungal infection. If you’ve ever been a child, chances are you’ve had it. It treated by over the counter anti-fungals. You know Lamisil and Lotrimin AF? Fungus is hard enough to cultivate, I can’t see using it as a terrorism agent. But we do have some crafty idiots out there. Feral cats are not the only victims to this disease.

    Salmonella is a bacterial infection that can last 4-7 days. Most people recover without treatment. Annually, there are about 40,000 cases reported in the US. It is a threat to people with compromised immune systems.

    Taxoplasma is actually a food-borne illness and is caused by a parasite. It is estimated that 60 million people have been exposed to it. A healthy immune system suppresses it and most people have no idea they’ve even been exposed. However, should symptoms occur, they usually resolve in a few weeks.

    Flea-borne Typhus, aka Murine Typhus, is caused by the fleas that infest rats. It is very treatable with antibiotics. And while I will admit that it is possible for the flea to jump from rat to cat, again…a feral cat isn’t going to let you get close enough to infect you.

    Few of these diseases present a threat to feral populations. A healthy colony that has been spayed/neutered and vaccinated would have no problem throwing off these illnesses. Of course, exceptions always occur, but all in all, I’d have to say your argument for the diseases is invalid at best and your insistence on its accuracy shows you to be either ignorant or willfully stupid. Neither one of those traits lends you credibility.

  38. David, yours is one of the most ridiculous posts I’ve read on the subject. Cats get rabies first and foremost from any dying rabid-bat that is on the ground. The PERFECT play-toy for any outdoor cat. Any small animal dying of rabies.

    You are also in 100% error about other animals not fearing cats.

    I found out another interesting aspect to this invasive-species-cat-predator and native-wildlife relationship that no others seem to be aware of. When some local wildlife LITERALLY came to my door in the middle of the day, dragging her two starving cubs to my door because she couldn’t even make enough milk to feed her offspring (all her food supplies DESTROYED BY CATS). This is what alerted me to just how bad the situation had become. I then started out on a venture to try to assist all the local native wildlife. In the hopes that if I increased the populations of the few remaining predators that they would one day put “cat” on their natural menu. (FYI: That mother and her two cubs rebounded just fine with my assistance and went on to produce many healthy offspring.)

    During this venture I found some surprising things.

    1. Any time that a cat would enter the wildlife feeding area, all the wildlife would scatter. After 5 years of witnessing this I was truly disappointed. These were, after all, the native-wildlife army I was trying to raise to deal with the invasive-cat problem ecologically.

    2. When I was advised by local law-enforcement to deal with the problem by shooting cats, then I thought maybe I could at least put that cat-meat from these useless and destructive waste-of-flesh cats to use and feed the wildlife their bodies. These cats had denied all the native-wildlife a food source all these years, perhaps in death they might be able to put back what they had taken. But no. Even when offered DEAD CATS the local wildlife would run from the wildlife feeding area.

    Longer story short:

    Due to the bold patterns bred into these INVASIVE-SPECIES cats, the NATIVE wildlife perceives them as having a hidden toxic or olfactory defense mechanism. A universal symbol throughout nature. That if an unknown animal is sporting bold patterns, then that animal must be dangerous or deadly — to avoid it at all costs.

    This is why you will read reports online of how someone’s docile “Mr. Fluffy” scared that “nasty” coyote out of their yard. The cat’s non-existent bravado had NOTHING to do with it. It was the cat’s coloring pattern alone that scared that larger predator.

    Conclusion: Native wildlife will only pick off the bland or no-pattern cats. And even then, only if starving to death as a last resort, taking the risk of overriding millennia of natural instinct to try to survive. So even if coyotes or other larger predator will take a cat or two, they’ll leave all the bold-patterned ones alone. And the land will eventually be inundated with bold-patterned cats only. Back to square one.


    There’s very good reason that the phrase “hunted to extinction” is so well known across all cultures, across all lands. It is THE ONLY METHOD THAT IS FASTER THAN A SPECIES CAN OUT-BREED AND OUT-ADAPT TO. Especially a species as prolific as these man-made cats which can breed 3X’s faster than any naturally-occurring cat species. A painful fact of past human-behavior that we must now rely on to fix this worldwide ecological disaster. I too was surprised to come to this realization, that these human-caused disasters in the past are now providing a valid method upon which we need to rely to solve this 100% man-made problem. This is ONLY going to be solved by a human-eye aiming a gun to pick off the correct species as rapidly as is humanly possible.


    Shoot on sight is the ONLY method that is faster than their breeding rates. I don’t care how much you want to bury your head up your a** to try to evade that FACT, but it’s a FACT.

    You might also like to know…

    The law in the USA is that if your land is in an area zoned for agricultural or livestock use or unincorporated then it is perfectly legal to destroy any animal, someone’s pet or not, that is threatening the health, well-being, and safety of your own animals or family (also true even in most densely populated cities). The only animals exempt from you taking immediate action, legally, are those listed on endangered or threatened species lists, and any bird species under protection of MBTA (the Migratory Bird Treaty Act). Even then variances can be given should there be sufficient problem but this requires further study by authorities. Since cats are listed in the TOP 40 WORST invasive-species of the world in the “Global Invasive Species Database”, this means they have no protection whatsoever from being shot on sight, they are not on any protected-species list anywhere in the world. And in fact, if your area enforces and obeys invasive-species laws — as they should — then it is against the law to NOT destroy any cat on sight, someone’s pet or not. It is your civic and moral responsibility to destroy any invasive-species that is found away from supervised confinement and roaming freely in a non-native habitat.

    A cat-owner that releases their cat in an area zoned for any form of livestock or agricultural use or unincorporated land has no legal grounds to sue anyone if their cat is shot. Even if the shooter walks up to the door of the ex-cat-owner and hands their dead cat back to them, saying, “I shot your cat, here it is! Better luck next time!” Though local law-enforcement frowns on this because the criminally-irresponsible ex-cat-owner will just raise a stink with law-enforcement, wasting their time when they have more important things to do than explain to and coddle an idiot. Hence the popular “SSS Cat Management Program” (Shoot, Shovel, & Shut-Up) method to save your gendarmes the further hassle by the ex-cat-owning trouble-makers.

    In fact, here’s a publication from a study done by the University of Nebraska on the best ways to HUMANELY deal with a feral-cat problem wherever you live. This documentation INCLUDES the best firearms, ammo, and air-rifles required to HUMANELY destroy cats.

    Besides, what difference does it make if the cat gets shot or ran over by a car, attacked by another cat or animal, drowned, or poisoned by plants animals or chemicals? The result is the same. The cause is the same — the fault of the criminally irresponsible pet-owner that let that invasive-species pet roam free. It only means they really didn’t care about that cat at all so nobody else should either. They’ve already proved their animal is expendable. You can tell who cares about their pets in rural areas, their pets are still alive.

    When flying over the USA on a clear day, look down. Then you’ll see that vast coast-to-coast patchwork-quilt of farms and ranches where it’s perfectly legal to destroy every last cat.

    You might also like to know …

    If you advocate for cats as rodent-control on farms and ranches you’ve already doomed them to being destroyed by drowning or shooting when it becomes a financial liability more than any asset. Ranchers and farmers worldwide are fully aware that cats’ Toxoplasma gondii parasite can cause the very same birth defects (hydrocephaly and microcephaly), still-births, and miscarriages in their livestock and important wildlife as it can in pregnant women. Consequently, this is also how this cats’ brain-parasite gets into your meats and onto your dinner-tables, from herbivores ingesting this cat-parasites’ oocysts in the soils, transferred to the plants and grains that they eat. Not even washing your hands in bleach will destroy this parasites’ oocysts if you have contracted it from your garden or yard that a cat has defecated in.

    This is why any cats are ROUTINELY destroyed around gestating livestock and wildlife-management areas in the most efficient, humane, and least-expensive method available. Common rural practice everywhere. The risk of financial loss from dead livestock and important native wildlife from an invasive-species cat is far too great to do otherwise. This cats’ parasite is now even killing off rare marine-mammals along all coastal regions from run-off containing this cat-parasites’ oocysts.

    The next time you bite into that whole-grain veggie-muffin or McBurger, you need to just envision biting down on a shot-dead or drowned kitten or cat. For that’s precisely how that food supply got to your mouth — whether you want to face up to it or not. It’s not going to change reality no matter how much you twist your mind away from the truth of your world.

    If you want to blame someone for the drowning and shooting of cats, you need to prosecute yourself — every time you eat.

  40. EducatedCitizen, you might find something that I found to be quite eye-opening. When investigating the dismal trapping rates of all these TNR programs. Their trapping-rates always coming in at less than 0.4% of the feral-cat population in each and every area, everwhere, and >99.6% continuously breeding out of control because they can never trap them that fast. I also did cost-analysis estimates on TNR costs vs. Shooting costs.

    IN EACH AND EVERY CASE every municipality must allocate anywhere from 1/10th to 1/2 $BILLION PER YEAR if employing TNR costs just to catch-up to their breeding rates — sustaining that expense YEARLY into perpetuity. They would have to spend MORE THAN this PER YEAR to start to slow down their breeding rates. Whereas shooting them results in costs substantially lower, in the range of $2,000 to $75,000 for 1 year. ALL CATS CAN EFFECTIVELY BE RID OF IN JUST *ONE* YEAR BY SHOOTING THEM ALL ON-SITE. Which ends up being a ONE-TIME-EXPENSE. Something that is attainable by the tax-base in most every area.

  41. Stormdragon, Rather than correct EVERYTHING that you just wasted your time saying, it can all be proved false with just one simple statement on just one of the subjects.


    It gets into your foods from cats’ feces from cats that roam around stockyards and farms. While foods CAN carry the oocysts and parasites directly, it ALL COMES FROM CATS THAT ARE ITS PRIMARY HOST ANIMAL. REMOVE ALL CATS AND THE PARASITE IS STERILIZED.

    And it’s not the harmless parasite that you are making it out to be. Most everyone here already knows the depth of the lies and misinformation that you just typed. Does autism, schizophrenia, brain-cancers, death if you undergo chemotherapy or immunosuppressive therapies for skin-grafts or other transplants at any time during your life after infection by T. gondii, or certain death if someone contracts HIV during their lives, or their unborn fetus suffers hydrocephaly, microcephaly, still-births, or miscarriages, this all sounds HARMLESS to you?

    Wow. Mengele had nothing on you!

    I dearly hope someone knows your real identity and what medical institutes, if any, that you are associated with. The amount of misinformation and PROPAGANDIST BULLSH** that you have just typed is grounds for having any license that you might have pulled so fast you wouldn’t even see it happening. I dearly hope that any animal or human that might have been subjected to ANY of your advice during their lives was fortunate enough to get an opinion from someone far more credible. Any person on the street-corner would be more credible than you.

  42. Rabies in stray and feral cats is not a problem, eh?

    Look at what ANOTHER ONE OF _YOUR_ CATS has done…

    Aren’t you so very proud of yourselves for what you and your beliefs are causing.

    Want some more links just as bad? Here’s a few more:

    The net is flooded with stories just like those. All thanks to YOU and people JUST LIKE YOU.

    YOU are the cause of this.

  43. Direct quote from Woodsman:


    That is entirely false. While the main host is cats, it can also be carried by other warm blooded animals to include birds and humans. The disease itself is minor and can be thrown off with a healthy immune system. It becomes a problem when a pregnant woman is involved.

    You can neutralize a bacteria, but you can’t sterilize one.

    Your last paragraph is more of an emotional outburst than anything else. All my facts are easily accessible to anyone who can drive to a library or access the CDC website, which you yourself have referenced. You make it sound as if every case is the worst case scenario, which is all you’ve really posted. My suspicion is that you are trying to scare people into your point of view.

  44. DrizzleLizard,

    Wow. Where did you get your education.

    The ASEXUAL phasse of T. gondii can be carried by other warm-blooded animals. This phase comes from after having ingested the oocysts from the sexual phase that occurs ONLY IN CATS. Animals carrying the ASEXUAL phase CANNOT SHED OOCYSTS.

    An HERBIVORE can contract this parasite IN NO OTHER WAY than directly from the oocysts shed BY CATS.

    And it NEVER gets “thrown off” by a healthy immune system. T. gondii becomes PERMANENT PARASITIC CYSTS THAT REMAIN IN YOUR BRAIN — *FOR* *LIFE*. It just sitting there waiting for the day that your immune system is no longer capable of keeping it constrained.

    T. gondii is not even classified as a “bacteria”, you freakishly ignorant MORON! And considering that T. gondii has its primary SEXUAL reproduction phase in cats, then YES, you CAN sterilize it by removing/destroying/interrupting its sexual reproduction phase.

    Please explain why you are spreading so much misinformation and outright LIES about a very serious subject. Really, what is your motive? So that YOUR INVASIVE-SPECIES CATS can go on to spread even more deadly diseases to harm all wildlife and humans on earth? Really, just what IS your motivation for spreading such easily revealed and obvious outright LIES & MISINFORMATION.

    Why don’t you go pretend to be something other than a vet or doctor, or whatever it is you are pretending to be, somewhere else. Where your outright ignorance and deception isn’t so easily revealed to all. Where you might get away with it next time.

    Why don’t you go claim to be a particle-physicist next, so someone else can reveal you as the fake mommy’s-basement TROLL that you actually are.

  45. Correction:

    T. gondii’s parasitic cysts that REMAIN IN YOUR BRAIN for life, don’t just sit there waiting for the day that your immune system no longer keeps it constrained.

    All the while it is acting as the seeds for brain-cancers, or its chemicals causing schizophrenia and other mental-impairment while it lies there “dormant” FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. It actually controlling your mind through its chemicals.

    Since links are not allowed here, just enter this full string into Google:

    Toxoplasma gondii (schizophrenia OR autism OR hijacked OR brain-cancer OR mind-control)

    While you’re at it, throw this string into Google for even more enlightening-fun:

    Toxoplasmosis kills ( marine-mammals OR livestock)

    Yes, what a harmless little parasite.

    Go ahead, spread some more of it around. Proving that you don’t give ONE DAMN about anything on this planet but YOURSELF and your destructive invasive-species parasitized and parasitic piece-of-sh** cats.

  46. Woodsman,

    One simple question: Since you obviously despise cats and obviously would like to see the species wiped from the face of the Earth, why should any rational individual give any credence to anything you say?

    It’s well known that you apparently spend all day long trolling the internet, posting and re-posting the same diatribes and disinformation wherever issues surrounding cats are discussed, hiding behind the anonymity of your screenname. You obviously have a deeply personal grudge against cats, and you have no respect for anyone else’s position, whether that person is a medical or scientific expert or simply someone with years of experience dealing with the problem of homeless cats.

    Simply put, getting your opinion on cats is like asking a senior member of the Nazi Party for his opinion on Jews or asking a Ku Klux Klan member for his opinion on African-Americans. I don’t think that any rational person reading your posts would disagree with that assessment.

  47. I’d like to point out that feral dogs are managed with various REMOVAL methods, are not fed , and not tolerated in the US. They are capable of high reproduction and resourceful in foraging – just like with cats. TNR was not utilized to control the feral dog population, it wasn’t needed and it isn’t needed with cats either.
    As others have noted: mandatory spay/neuter, ban outdoor feeding, microchip, and allow or provide removal/trapping of unwanted strays and cats will be under much better control.

  48. David,

    Destroying cats is NOT a fear of cats nor even hating cats.

    Why do mentally-unbalanced and psychotic cat-advocates always presume that if someone is removing a highly destructive, deadly disease spreading, human-engineered invasive-species from the native habitat to restore it back into natural balance that they must hate that organism? Does someone who destroys Zebra Mussels, Kudzu, Burmese Pythons, African Cichlids, or any of the other myriad destructive invasive-species have some personal problem with that species? (Many of which are escaped PETS that don’t even spread any harmful diseases, unlike cats.) Your ignorance and blatant biases are revealed in your declaring that people who destroy cats must somehow hate or fear cats. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    It is people who spread a destructive invasive-species that tortures-to-death all other wildlife that have zero respect for life. They don’t even care about their cats dying a slow torturous death from exposure, animal attacks, diseases, starvation, dehydration, becoming road-kill, environmental poisons. etc., the way that ALL stray cats suffer to death. They don’t even respect their fellow human being. This speaks more than volumes about your disgusting character. People like you should be locked up in prison for life for your cruelty to animals. If you let cats roam free you are violating every animal-abandonment, animal-neglect, animal-endangerment, and invasive-species law in existence.

    If people DO hate cats today, have LEARNED to hate cats today, you have nobody but yourself and everyone just like you to blame. YOU are the reason people are now realizing that all excess cats must be destroyed on-site and on-sight. You’ve done so much to make people care about cats, haven’t you.

    THIS IS YOUR FAULT and THE FAULT OF EVERYONE JUST LIKE YOU. You have NOBODY but yourselves to blame.

    You can take that all the way to the next shot-dead cat’s grave.

    p.s. Thanks for proving that you had no argument to begin with by invoking Godwin’s Law.

  49. Annie,

    The situations of dogs and cats in this respect are entirely different. Cats are like horses in the sense that they are not truly “domesticated”; thus, even if they are unsocialized, their essential behavior doesn’t change that much. Dogs, however, when they become undomesticated, revert to wolf-like behavior, forming packs that are very dangerous to humans. When I was about 5 years old, a neighbor’s dog came into the yard where I was playing, attacked me, and dragged me around for about ten minutes before my mother noticed what was happening and chased the dog away. This was not even a “feral” dog. You might be aware that Durham had a problem several years ago with groups of wild dogs that roamed around neighborhoods attacking other animals and people. Thus, there are very compelling reason for not allowing free-roaming dogs.

    Cats don’t do this, so there is simply no comparison between cats and dogs in this context, and, for that reason, your analogy is faulty. There is an old saying that one law for the lion and the ox is oppression, and it applies perfectly here. The species are very different; therefore, it makes sense to treat them differently.

  50. The ONLY reason TNR is considered is because there is a lobby that supports cats outdoors. TNR is not magical. It requires constant work to trap ALL cats in the area. Where TNR has been tried, the number of cats trapped is no where NEAR the number necessary for effective population reduction. Put simply, TNR does not reduce overall populations of cats, and it gives people a place to abandon cats, increasing wildlife mortality in an area.

    Removal has the same issue. You cannot trap enough to provide effective population reduction. But removal stops cats from roaming into the yards of neighbors, it stops unnecessary wildlife predation, AND it stops cats from dying inhumane deaths from cars, coyotes, disease and parasites. This is why PETA does not support TNR. It is inhumane to cats.

    Annie got it right “mandatory spay/neuter, ban outdoor feeding, microchip, and allow or provide removal/trapping of unwanted strays and cats will be under much better control.”

  51. If a cat is property then the owner is responsible and should keep them on their own property. If a cat is not property (feral) then no one should be feeding it. If someone wants to take that cat into possession by feeding it, then then the animal should be kept on the new owner’s property. Liking cats doesn’t give anyone a right to trespass or maintain animals that use another person’s property (be it public or private).

  52. Esteban (who is probably Woodsman hiding behind another screen name–one of his usual tactics) is repeating the familiar lies, propaganda, and slander circulated by bird enthusiasts and other highly ideologically–and financially–motivated anti-cat groups, which use the controversy surrounding cats for fundraising and for increasing their public visibility.

    No, TNR is not magical. Like anything worthwhile, it does require work, and many TNR groups are banding together to share strategies for how best to capture cats for spay/neuter and vaccination. Working on my own–and paying for it from my own pocket, I have achieved 100% spay/neuter and vaccination of all the cats in the colony I work with. Further, I have worked to socialize and find homes for them. The ultimate goal is to get them all adopted.

    And irresponsible or desperate people will continue to abandon cats whether or not there is a “place” to do so. It would be nice to be able to put a stop to that, but I’m not sure how one could. We barely have enough law enforcement to take care of really egregious crimes against animals like dog-fighting rings. Who’s going to catch someone stopping a car in an isolated area and dropping an animal on the side of the road?

    The cats I take care of always have food, shelters, and clean water (heated in winter). In fact, one of the vets doing spay/neuter for me told me that some of them were a bit overweight. Simple fact: there are many, many people in the world whose lives are infinitely worse than this, so, I suppose, by your logic, Esteban, we should round all these people up and put them to death in order to put a stop to their suffering. Is that your neat and tidy Final Solution?

    That’s what really frightens me about the politics of the anti-TNR camp. No matter how nice they try to make it sound, behind all their arguments lies a fundamentally totalitarian/genocidal fantasy. They want to dictate how all animals must live, or the animals should be killed. Period. There is no room for compromise, different opinions, or different strategies, and they are actively attempting to persecute anyone who disagrees with them by promoting punitive laws. Make no mistake; these are not nice people. If you don’t agree with them, they want to see you fined and/or put in jail.

    And you dare reference PETA? PETA has no credibility whatsoever in this debate. They have a well-documented, horrifying track-record for incompetently-run shelters where almost all the animals end up being euthanized. Most companion-animal advocacy groups will have nothing to do, at this point, with PETA and its reckless, sensationalist tactics.

    Bottom-line: The anti-TNR camp consists of people who haven’t actually done it and who, therefore, have no first-hand knowledge of what they’re talking about. They all get their talking points from the above-referenced extremist wildlife organizations and hope that by repeating it often enough, they can make their misinformation sound like truth.

  53. This decision cannot be made until everyone agrees that cats are not people. Killing cats is not genocide any more than making them hunt mice is slavery. Cats are not people. I’m serious, they really aren’t. Using euthanasia in Wake county is not genocide because cats are not people. Using euthanasia on feral cats in Wake county has nothing to do with how we should treat people in poor countries because cats are not people. The comparison is crazy. If cats were people the TNR folks would never trap them and conduct TNR in the first place. I hope.

    If people take care of cats, which are non-human animals, like David does in his cat hotel (presumably on his own property) that is great. There is no need for special rules because anyone who wants to conduct TNR on their cats can and no one can kill your cat if it is on you property.

  54. Cary resident,

    My comparison was hyperbole, to a certain extent, used for effect. I am, among other things, a professional writer. I find it’s often valuable, when discussing this issue, to throw things into a broader relief.

    I might suggest that you investigate some of the blogs where birders share their true feelings on cats. Many of them would genuinely like to wipe the species from the face of the earth. Call it ‘specicide’ if you want. They’re not shy about expressing themselves on the topic; in fact, it’s been written about in their journals for at least a hundred years. I’m actually working on a paper documenting it.

    It’s quite true that cats are not people. Cats don’t slash and burn the rainforest. They don’t spill oil into the Gulf of Mexico. They don’t spray agricultural fields with dangerous pesticides. They didn’t invent nuclear warheads. They don’t kill each other over differing religious beliefs. There are many differences.

    On the other hand, in my opinion, suffering is suffering, regardless of which animal species we’re talking about–and I include humans as animals since that’s clearly what we are. Esteban claims that TNR is ‘inhumane’ and that rounding these animals up and killing them is preferable to the life they lead. I am simply saying that if you feel that a quick death is preferable to a life of suffering, there are far clearer cases in which this principle may be applied than in the lives of cats living semi-outdoors who have plenty of food, water, and shelter from the elements.

    Also, it wasn’t that long ago that the State of North Carolina, along with other States, did essentially conduct TNR on people, what we now refer to as “forced sterilization.”

    I realize that there are cases where removal of cats from a certain area may be necessary, but I also think that it’s not a bad idea to allow TNR to exist. There are many cases where neighbors have cooperated to stem an overpopulation problem through spay/neuter and adoption rather than calling animal control. In practical terms this saves the County money.

    Also, I’d point out that you’re in disagreement with the forces against TNR who generally argue that no cat should ever be allowed outside under any circumstances, even if it’s on your own property. They don’t care about those distinctions whatsoever. They’re perfectly happy to tell you exactly what you can and cannot do whether it’s on your property or not.

  55. It seems like the best solution is to wait for another Fran-like situation, where large scale flooding really did a number on the feral cat population. TNR is all well and good, but there should be some effort made to reduce the total population instead of waiting for them to die of starvation or disease after TNR.

    Don’t get me wrong, cats are great, but like the deer situation, there comes a point where you just cause more suffering by being unwilling to make hard decisions like culling an overgrown population.

    And for the record, the “TNR on people” in NC was destined to fail because a) they only did it to people who had already had children and b) it wasn’t done broadly enough to make a significant difference in indigent care costs to the State or impact the total population.

  56. No David, I am not Woodsman. Do you find it hard to believe there is more than one person against the idea of free-roaming domestic animals? Do we, as a society, support the free roaming of any other domestic animal across property boundaries? Or is it that you believe cats have some exalted position in society, free to go where they want when they want, or perhaps you view them as wildlife, but special wildlife with no agency overseeing their population or affects on other species? No, David, you are probably like most TNR advocates. It is cats, uber alles.

    For the record, I have had a cat (it had to be put down recently after 16 years of indoor life). A good life I might say. A life not ended early by a car. A life not ended by it being ripped apart by a coyote looking for an easy meal. A life guided by someone that believes you should take responsibility for the animals we have domesticated. That extends to domestic animals that have no homes. Leaving them outside, or even worse, releasing them outside is simply abandoning our role as stewards of our domesticated animals. You are simply saying the death of that cat (unseen by me) is less my responsibility than if I were to be proactive and put the cat down if it can’t be rehomed, or if it’s advocates are too lazy to build enclosures for housing un-releasable cats safely. If so many in society love cats, why don’t they build outdoor enclosures and house 5 or so?

    My experience with TNR is watching how it happens in my town. Where cat feeders set up stations on OTHER PEOPLE’S properties without their knowledge. (behind hotels, strip malls and restaurants). Where they get upset and protest if the land owner decides he or she doesn’t want the risk of lawsuit. And don’t keep saying feral cats run from people. There have been enough cases in just the last two years, that show us that there is a real risk of rabies. Or where TNR is sold as a population reduction method and accepted by the town, and then only a handful of people register their colonies and the number of spay/neuters is minuscule and of no consequence for population reduction.

  57. about 8 years ago i had cats that were dumped at the dead end where i live. these are the people i would like to see given a citation for abandonment. there were 4 cats originally within one year there were 27. working with a tnr program all were fixed/vaccinated and monitored. i now have 5 remaining from this colony. thru a natural process they have been reduced in numbers and i can feel good knowing that i did the right thing. the tnr programs are not the problem they are the answer to a problem by irresponsible humans who leave/abandon their pets for society to clean up. it saddens me to see so many ignorant comments from people who have no first hand knowledge of tnr or the way they work.

  58. Judy, so … “the right thing” that you did to these cats is to ensure they got ran over by cars, died from animal attacks, diseases, or being poisoned by your neighbors, or any of the other ways that EVERY stray cat eventually suffers to death. As well as to let them cruelly rip apart all the local wildlife by tearing their guts out while alive, ripping their skins over their heads while alive, just so YOUR cats could use them for play-toys.

    Yeah, that sounds like “the right thing” to do alright.

    Tint those rose-colored glasses of yours some more. If dark enough you can then remove those blinders that you wear as well. Heavens forbid that you see just how mindless, heartless, and cruel that you truly are. Like the rest of the world sees you. You wouldn’t want that, now would you.

  59. How to reduce populations of cats without having to trap and sterilize them, using the very same methods by which ALL TNR’ed cats eventually die.

    Aim your car for cats. Put out poison for cats. Infect them with deadly diseases. Turn your dog or other larger predators loose on them. Starve them to death. Let them die of thirst. Put them in heated boxes until they die of heat exhaustion (emulate a warm summer). Throw them in freezers until they are dead (emulate a harsh winter). Shoot them.

    Can you think of more ways that ALL TNR’ed cats die? NONE of them die of old-age you know.

    Any of the above methods are the “perfectly natural” ways that TNR’ed cats die — so TNR people should have absolutely NO problems when you destroy their cats this way! Right?

    It’s how THEY’RE doing it!

    If you kill their cats this way and they complain about it, they’re just being whiny hypocrites. That’s all. Simple as that.

  60. Actually TNRed cats CAN die of old age. I started doing TNR on a colony in 2001. There were full grown adult cats there. I finished TNRing the colony in early 2002 (there were 11 cats done in total in this industrial park). My last one died in February 2011. She was at least 12 years old. The one that died the year before her was at least 12.

    So unless you have seen a well managed colony over the years you don’t know how they work. I was allowed on the property, the owners were fine with me paying for everything out of pocket, all the tenants in the industrial park were thrilled to have mouse control!

    Just my two cents in Raleigh!

  61. TLA,

    So, 1 out of 1 MILLION TNR’ed cats dying of old-age will help you to retain the dark tint of your rose colored glasses. How nice. And just HOW did ALL your cats die? Even the 12 year-old one. Interestingly, your case PROVES AGAIN that the TNR bullsh** of the “vacuum effect” is again an absolute 100% LIE. Where’s all the cats that were supposed to replace the ones that INHUMANELY died at YOUR hands?

    I’ve added a few more ways to destroy cats using the TNR-method to the list and numbered them. You might enjoy this method too.

    9. Scratch the cat’s eyes and put gashes in their skin to emulate a cat attack so they slowly die of infections. (Justifiably and equitably treating them the very same way they destroy all native animals. Though that involves more skinning-alive and disemboweling animals while alive so the cat can enjoy their play-toy slowly twtch to death. The longer it takes an animal to die of wounds, the more a cat enjoys it. And so too apparently the cat-lovers also greatly enjoy this, or they wouldn’t let their cats do this.)

    TNR advocates see ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with torturing animals to death. This speaks tomes about your little club of animal torturers. You ALL deserve to be locked up in prisons FOR LIFE!

    Tint those rose-colored glasses even darker. Then maybe you won’t have to read about what you REALLY are.

  62. This Woodsman guy Aka Forest Smith Clark P and a host of other names is a discredit to the Wildlife service for which he works and constantly talks about shooting cats, blinding cats, and drowning cats.

    As a taxpayer I am writing to the Wildlife Service and requesting this man be removed from his job, fired, and sentenced to a mental institution before he makes good on his threats to start killing people who likes cats.

  63. A very good idea John.

    This “Woodsman” character cannot even participate in an intelligent conversation without throwing around threats and personal insults… he is a disgrace to ANY organization that deals with Humans or Animals.

    Please let us know if they would like additional input from any other victims of his verbal abuse.

  64. Yeah “John”. Good idea. You do that. I hope you already did. (LOL) Then I hope they all get a good laugh out of your contact with them after they find out that you don’t know what the hell you are talking about because I’ve never worked for any wildlife service in my life (nor would I ever want to).

    Possible Wildlife Service office conversation:

    “Hey Bob! Pick up to the phone! Listen to this f***ing raving lunatic! Hit record. We need to play this back at our office parties!! LOL!!!!!”

    Holy cr*p, these psychotic cat-lover morons just keep stepping in their own piles of BS, over and over again. LOL!!!!!!

    p.s. Care4AllCats … calling you psychotic morons isn’t an insult when it’s a hard cold fact. It’s just what you are! What? You want me to call you all the most miraculous testaments to human intellect that have ever existed because you are destroying every ecosystem on earth with a man-made invasive-species cat? Yeah, that’s not going to happen. Calling you psychotic morons isn’t any kind of an untruth. ALL you cat-lovers keep proving it over and over, again, and again, and again, and again, and again …. on ad-infinauseum.